Matt Harmon: On this episode of Monmouth weekly, it's a Pope of a lot of different information. We'll recap. What was an extremely busy week on campus scholarship week for our student population, faculty staff awards, given out during the course of the end of the academic year and athletic update. And we'll look at the most recent information involving the COVID pandemic. This is faculty member, Matt Harmon, alongside university president Patrick Lehe it's episode number 28 of our Monmouth weekly podcast. Thanks as for listening. Matt Harmon: Well, it's Monday morning here at the Jersey shore and looking forward to another episode of our Monmouth weekly podcast series with president Lehe. I'm Matt Horman, uh, a very busy week where a couple days behind where we usually B be, uh, would be in our biweekly kind of scheduled, but president Lehe that's because last week was so busy and, and so busy in a lot of good ways. So we've got a lot of stuff to talk to, um, and break down. But, but as always, I start with a, a good morning and hope on, on this particular case, rather than wish you a good weekend going into it. I hope you had a good weekend coming out of it. Patrick Leahy: We did good morning to you too. Matt, always nice to be with you Monday morning is, uh, is, uh, an atypical time for us to be together. But as you said, there's so much to discuss and to recap from last week that, uh, maybe the timing's working out well here. Matt Harmon: Yeah. And, and what was, uh, clearly, clearly a busy week, but still on the minds of so many people, you know, interesting to see as, as things start to, I guess I'd say normalize a little bit open back up a little bit. Um, there's been so much talk and I know within the university community there's been talk there as well in terms of just where COVID sits on the, on the university's campus and talk about vaccines and things like that. So maybe we can start this morning. Just, just kind of recapping right now where Monmouth is in kind of the world of COVID and the pandemic. Patrick Leahy: Yeah. Thanks for asking Matt. Uh, I'm pleased to tell you that, uh, COVID is sitting if you will, fairly quietly here on campus. And I knock on wood every time I say that, of course, but our caseload is, uh, at a very manageable, I think maybe single digits or, or maybe 10 cases, remember that any case can be serious. So we take them all very, very seriously, but, uh, a very modest number of cases, that's leading to a very modest number of isolation and quarantine situation. So I feel very positive about where we are. I credit our testing regimen for, for this. I mean, we have been aggressively testing all semester, including a lot of batch testing or pool testing, which has proven to be a very effective way to identify cases very early and to keep them from spreading. I think at last count, uh, we had conducted over 12,000 tests this spring and, um, I'm very grateful to everybody in our health services area for conducting those tests and managing 'em as carefully as possible. So I, I feel very positive about the way in which we've been able to navigate this semester as we get into what is essentially the final week of classes. Can you believe it? Um, it leads to a very big question. I think maybe, uh, you're gonna ask me about vaccinations, right? Matt Harmon: I, I think that's, uh, a, a logical place to go with this, you know, the, and I just pulled up the, the COVID dashboard right now. Um, as it sits as of yesterday, when the last time it was updated five active cases on campus, 329 recovered cases. So, so five's a pretty good number, you know, when you think of it. I mean, clearly there's been, um, there's been some improvement in, in New Jersey. There's been some improvement in surrounding states, but to only have five active cases right now on campus, to your point that the testing obviously has worked. And, um, the, the process of people getting vaccinated have worked as well. I think you and I have have spoke about it in a previous episode. You know, I, I, I do some, um, work in Vermont during the course of the winter months on a ski patrol. So we were actually considered frontline workers. So I got my first shot in December, was fully vaccinated in January. So I was ahead of the curve a little bit, but now as you start to see people opt into getting vaccinated, get the first shot, get the second. Um, clearly that's making a, a dent in terms of number of cases on campus, Patrick Leahy: And we're doing everything we can as a university to aid in the distribution of the vaccine to our, uh, constituents. Uh, we announced last week two initiatives. Uh, the first was a partnership with Hackensack Meridian health, which as you know, is one of the great healthcare systems in our community. And, uh, we partnered with them and they dedicated to us 200, uh, vaccine appointments dedicated to, to Monmouth university. So they won't go, uh, elsewhere. And, uh, that allowed us first to distribute those links, if you will, to any interested parties in our community. And then they go onto that link and then they find where among their healthcare facilities, those, those appointments are available and, uh, they can sign up and commit to those appointments that, that we felt gave our constituents as much flexibility is possible to make it as convenient as possible to them. And then in addition to that, in addition to that, we were able to secure a number of, uh, vaccine doses from the Monmouth county health department to distribute right here on campus. And we started doing that last week as well. Our hope is that between those two initiatives and many others, we hope to be able to roll out in the weeks ahead. We can do our part as a community to advance the, the distribution and the vaccination rate to all of the members of the community who are interested in getting it. So, um, really pleased with, uh, the way in which our community partners are stepping up to support us as well. Matt Harmon: I interesting to see, uh, and, and I did, I, I read the list the other day, and then I actually pulled it back up this morning, knowing that you and I would talk about it. The schools that have been announced that they they're requiring vaccines, uh, for students come fall of 2021, this not the full list, but some pretty big names on there. Yale Georgetown, Stanford, Notre Dame, duke brown, Northeastern, uh, a little bit closer to home FDU a school that's gonna require vaccinations Rutgers of school. That's gonna require students to have vaccinations as well. And when I say students, let me, let me broaden that out. That's student staff and faculty it's across the board. Um, interesting that maybe Monmouth hasn't necessarily taken a, a full position yet on this. Is it fair to say Patrick Leahy: We haven't? I mean, it's not to say that we're not thinking about it and that we haven't had numerous discussions about it, but we haven't taken a firm stance yet. And, and that is consistent. We believe with our decision making through this entire pandemic. Um, we like to, to wait a little bit to see how things play out. We know a lot of schools, as you've mentioned, have already declared that they will require the vaccine and others have come out publicly and declared that they will not require the vaccine. I think we are still working through that. Having conversations with many constituencies around the campus to try to figure out what makes the most sense for us. Let me be clear about one thing, Matt, and that is, uh, whether, whether we require it or not. We're I strongly, strongly, strongly urge people to get vaccinated. I, I have like you, I have myself, uh, now been able to get, uh, fully vaccinated. Um, it is the way in which we will be able to, uh, grow the, the sort of herd immunity, if you will, here on campus and make it, uh, much more safe for us to return to some semblance of normal in the fall. So I strongly strongly encourage it. We haven't decided quite yet whether we will require it or not. And then, and even in deciding that Matt it's a first do, we require it of our students consistent with other, uh, vaccinations that are required. I mean, under that rubric, we would require it potentially for our students. And then the separate is whether we need to require it of our faculty and staff, or just strongly encourage it. I always say, I try to keep the number of things as limited as possible that we require anyone in our campus community to do. Um, we just don't want to be that kind of operation unless we have to be. So we just haven't decided yet there there're very good arguments on both sides. We will continue to have those conversations and we'll be making an announcement here soon, whether, whether we think it's necessary or not. Matt Harmon: Yeah, good article that came out, uh, over the course of the last couple of days@northjersey.com, Rutgers FDU, Princeton, Montclair state all require students to be fully vaccinated by the start of their fall semester. Uh, there, there are exceptions to that. If you're in an online program, you don't necessarily have to do it. And there are some schools, um, that it it's, it's more student mandated than anything else, faculty and staff not required. And then, um, I, I think if, if memory serves me correctly, Rowan announced that you won't have to have it Stockton announced that you won't have to have it. And there are a lot of schools like Monmouth that are still trying to figure out maybe the best way to go about it. Is, is it fair to say, and maybe you haven't quite gotten to this point yet. Is it fair to say that the university could not necessarily take a stance? Not could they, could they say we're not requiring, or we're not telling you that you can come to school without it is. Is there somewhere in the middle that you don't necessarily have to say, this is our position. Patrick Leahy: Yeah. And I think that somewhere in the middle is, uh, we strongly encourage it, but, but we won't require it. I think that's sort of the, the, the, the latitude that we might offer, if we choose to go that route, I just wanna make sure that if we choose to go that route, which would be a safe way to go, because a couple of those institutions you mentioned are under legal challenges right now about whether they can, in fact, uh, whether they, you know, have the legal authority to require, uh, the vaccine. So we'll see how those that plays out as well. But, um, I wanna make sure, as I mentioned a minute ago, that we do everything we can to grow the vaccination rate on campus, because all of the science seems, seems to suggest that is Matt the best way for us to get to that, you know, herd immunity quickly enough so that we might, you know, reopen more normally. And if that's what the science says, and that's what the, the real credible healthcare professionals around the country say, then I feel like, uh, I have an obligation to our entire community to get those vaccination levels up, as high as possible. It's just a matter of whether we're gonna feel required to obligate it or not. And, and we just haven't decided on that, that distinction yet, Matt Harmon: Do you foresee on the campus dashboard site with COVID where it, where it says active cases, uh, recovered cases, would there be something that would be added at some point that would say students vaccinated those still not, like, do, do you foresee schools in universities, not just Monmouth, but do you foresee schools in universities listing how many people in their student population and staff have been vaccinated? Patrick Leahy: You know, it's not a bad idea. Uh, cuz I, we get that question a lot, which is, uh, regardless of how you got there and what policies you needed to put in place to get there, what are your vaccination levels? So that would be worth considering there, of course our privacy concerns there that we wanna be, uh, sensitive to. Um, we wouldn't always in collecting this information. We would always keep it, uh, anonymous, you know, we, we don't need to know exactly who is and isn't, we just would wanna know the gross numbers. So yeah, I could see that as a possible, as long as we could find a way to record that information in a timely and accurate fashion, I could see something like that, uh, adding to our dashboard. Matt Harmon: Is it okay that if we do go that direction, can there be a little star that says, was suggested on the mammoth weekly podcast? Would that be okay Patrick Leahy: Even, even more than that, I'll, I'll suggest that it was, uh, Dr. Matt Harmon who suggested it. Yeah. And then if anyone doesn't like it, they know who to call, they Matt Harmon: Know who to, they know who to complain to. That's perfect. That's perfect. Uh, you know, we mentioned it was a very busy week on campus and a very busy week in a lot of, a lot of good ways, you know, always talking about COVID is something that's important. Um, but something that I know you are extremely, extremely proud of. Um, I, I believe I'm getting the name correctly, Victoria Catalan, a Monmouth grad student receiving the Fulbright award, which is just an unbelievable accomplishment. And again, to, to the point, you and I have made so many times another little check in the box of how good Mamba is at certain things. Patrick Leahy: And we want to continue to focus on, uh, uh, chasing down prestigious, uh, postgraduate fellowships and scholarships as well. We have had on campus. You, you may recall Matt four or five or, or six faculty members who have gotten Fulbright awards to teach, uh, overseas. Uh, but it's been a long time that, uh, since we've had a student receive a Fulbright. So for, uh, Victoria to announce this past week that she has been granted, one of these very prestigious awards really is, uh, evidence of the kind of talent that we have here. It's my belief that we have a lot more of that talent here. And, uh, it's incumbent upon us at the university to develop that talent and to get more students prepared, to apply for not just Fulbrights, but Goldwater scholarships and Marshall scholarships and other, uh, postgraduate, a couple years ago, we had a, an NCAA postgraduate, uh, scholar, uh, that is a very prestigious, uh, scholarship as well. So we're really proud of that, but I, I just think we could do more of it even in Victoria as evidence that we had the talent here on campus Matt Harmon: And fair to say that again, to, to the busy week, last week, fair to say that when the university promotes scholarship week, that this is really kind of one of those first steps for students or interested in taking it another step forward for them to kind of highlight, almost go through, um, you know, dare I say, a mini process of presentations putting things together so that if, if it goes well, they could say, wow, that was, that was amazing. I would really like to take this a step further. Patrick Leahy: very good point. You know, I hadn't really thought of it, but, uh, scholarship week, which was started just a few years ago here at mam to showcase the work that our students do and collaboration with their faculty, mentors really is a training ground for, uh, those kind of, uh, postgraduate, uh, applications. So I have to believe that the students that are actively engaged in scholarship week, which we had a number of them last week, uh, are the kind of students that would make, uh, good candidates, uh, for these, uh, for these positions. So last week we had, um, all kinds of, uh, different topics from the impact of COVID 19 to environmental and geographic studies, academic citizens, diversity, all kinds of different, uh, themes that were highlighted, uh, during scholarship week, but really a great way for us to showcase, uh, the student scholarship work, uh, that they're doing with their faculty mentors, which is something that once again, I think is really unique to Monmouth, a lot of these scholarship opportunities have much bigger places are reserved for those masters and doctoral students here because of our unique size. Uh, those opportunities are afforded to our undergraduate students, uh, in large part. And that's, uh, a real value add to our students. Matt Harmon: And on top of that, not only is it nice to read about see and highlight students during scholarship week, uh, see a student like Victoria, get the Fulbright award. It's also the time of year where some, some post academic year awards go out to faculty as well to highlight some of their accomplishments. And I know this past week was, was a big week in terms of, of, I'll say some of the big awards that go out to faculty and staff. Patrick Leahy: Yeah. Every, every, uh, end of the academic year, uh, features these kind of, uh, awards and in the last week or so, or at least since we've, uh, been together on our last last podcast, uh, a few big awards have been announced. Our distinguished teaching award this year went to Dr. Michelle van Volcom. Who's a senior lecturer in our department of psychology. So congratulations to Michelle, the Eugene Simco faculty leadership award was announced, uh, a couple weeks ago. And Dr. Heady Williams, who's the assistant professor of African American history in the department of history and anthropology, uh, was, uh, honored with that recognition. So congratulations to heady. And then just last week, uh, the 2021 Donald warranty award, which is, um, an award for, um, uh, support faculty support around the university, which our faculty union, uh, bestow was given this year to Claude Taylor, who you might know as the director of our academic transition and inclusion. Patrick Leahy: And he is also himself, a lecturer in our department of communication. So three really big awards that, um, are, uh, I think rightly given out this time of year, as we conclude our traditional academic year, one big one still to come. And that is the, the staffer award, which is given to a staff member for their, uh, contributions to the community. And that's working its way and, uh, will be announced here shortly. So, um, congratulations to all of those individuals, uh, maybe at a future podcast, we could have, uh, one or, or all of them, uh, participate so that, you know, our audience can hear directly from them what it means for them to be recognized that way. Matt Harmon: Yeah, clearly a congratulations from us here at mom with weekly, it is, uh, episode number 28 with university president Patrick Lehe. I'm Matt Harmon's changed gears a little bit. Uh, and, and in terms of our, our week, that was athletics, uh, something that you and I have near and dear to our hearts and, and like to talk about the spring sports still in progress, I'll say the fall sports in the spring. Um, couple of them wrapping up women's soccer, losing in the Mac championship. Men's soccer advancing into the NCAA tournament. They'll play later this week, football with a heartbreaking loss over the course of the weekend to number two, uh, Sam Houston state feel hockey with a three, two loss in double overtime to Stanford. Um, you know, you hate, obviously hearing the word loss, but if you're playing in the final, you've done something right. Win, lose. Um, no matter what point of the season you get to it, it just shows again the strength of the teams overall. Patrick Leahy: I mean, is it safe to say Matt, uh, when I tout routinely that we have one of the top mid major athletic programs in the country, I mean, is it, is it safe to say that given the performance of our teams from top to bottom, I mean, every sport that is participating this spring at Monmouth is doing so, uh, in a really, really competitive way. Uh, just a couple of those, if I may, I mean, as you say, you know, women's soccer, one of the great achievements because, uh, they were, they were riddled with injuries. Uh, all spring did not have their, their full, uh, compliment of players, but nonetheless advanced to the final and lose, lose in penalty kicks in overtime. So there's no shame in that are men's soccer team goes into the Mac tournament as the number six seed and had to beat the number three seed, the number two seed and the number one seed, which they did in order to, uh, to win the Mac championship and advance to the, uh, the national tournament. Patrick Leahy: They draw this Thursday, bowling green in the first round of the tournament. Um, and then, uh, as we talked about, you know, football won the big south championship and, uh, uh, traveled down to Huntsville, Texas over the weekend to play, uh, Sam Houston state, which is one of the top FCS football programs in the country. In fact, uh, they were essentially the number two seed in the 16 team tournament. Um, so tough draw for us, but pretty clear now a tough draw for them as well. Uh, we had a chance to win that game. And, um, I think you were calling the game, weren't you, Matt, uh, for, uh, for Monmouth, um, um, you know, to have the ball first and goal from the nine, you know, with just, uh, a little bit of time left on the clock, uh, that, that, that, that could have been our game. Uh, there, no question about it. And would've been one of the big wins in the history of Mammouth university athletics, but, uh, uh, so proud of the work that those fall sports were doing here in the spring. Matt Harmon: Yeah, clearly we wish, uh, men's soccer, as you mentioned, they'll play on Thursday, a win there in, in kind of the, the playing round of the NCAA tournament. If they beat bowling green, they would play, uh, pit who's one of the top teams in the country right now. They would play them over the course of the weekend, the spring sports, killing it as well. Uh, I, I I'll run through a couple of them right now. Baseball looks like they're gonna lock a spot into the Mac playoffs. Men's lacrosse right now is leading the standings in, um, the Mac on the women's side of things. The women's lacrosse teams looks like they're in a good position to get a opportunity to be in the post season softball right now, first place in the regular season standings. And, and I wanna talk about and highlight some of the sports and, and I don't mean this in a negative way, but some of the sports that maybe don't get the attention that overall they would, would deserve and unbelievable run for the men's tennis team, which just continues to be, uh, at, at this level, the mid-major level, one of the top teams, I won't even say in the Northeast anymore. Matt Harmon: I'm gonna say the mid-major level anywhere in the country. Patrick Leahy: Yeah. I think they were prior to the Mac, uh, tournament. They were ranked number one in the, in the Northeast region. So, uh, that, there's your evidence right there. That they're one of the top programs, not only in our region, but in the country, then they go to the, uh, they run the table and the Mac tournament and, uh, secure the fifth straight Mac tennis title. So, um, there's, again, all the evidence you need that it's one of the top tennis programs in the country. I'd like to think, what do you expect? It's led by Chris light, who, uh, whom I worked with very closely at Wilkes university back in Pennsylvania, he, uh, would run the table routinely there and, uh, looks like he's doing the same here at Monmouth. So congratulations, uh, to, to all of them. And, and also women's tennis had a really competitive year this year. One, some of the best wins that Patrice Murray would tell you that, that she's had in her time in her tenure as the, as the head coach. And she's been here for many years. So, uh, you know, not to be out done the women's the women's team is, is playing really well. Matt Harmon: Couple of finishes in the top 10 for, uh, the men's golf side in the Mac championship, which took place down in Florida, one top 10 finish for the women's golf team with Elizabeth McCook. Um, so as you, you joked, I think a couple weeks ago, I mean, all, all this under your tenure, it, it, you obviously it's, as you said, I think it starts at the top, right? Patrick Leahy: yes, that is true. It does start at the top. Uh, it starts at the top of that department, uh, in Dr. Merrill and McNeil in the, uh, winning culture that she is she's created there. Let me just throw quick, shout out to our bowling team who is going to the nationals for the first time in its history. I mean, across the board, Matt, every, every team that is choosing to compete this spring is doing it well. It really is a Testament to, to Dr. McNeil and the, and the culture that she's created there, the support that the teams have for one another. It's so, so satisfying for me to go to the field hockey championship on, on Saturday. And, uh, you know, we, we, uh, had a rematch against the, uh, Stanford Cardinal and, you know, you know, what a, a source of pride it is for me to be able to host Stanford in a championship game here in west long branch. Patrick Leahy: I mean, Stanford's one of the great universities in the world, and one of the great athletics programs in the world and, uh, lost a heartbreaker and double overtime three to two, which I think was the same score last year. So kudos to the field hockey team, but what a source of pride for me to see so many other teams who were not playing there to support our, our, um, our student athletes in field hockey. I think it's just, uh, evidence of the kind of culture that we've created in athletics, a total commitment to excellence, uh, on the respective field to play, but also in the classroom because our athletes, our student athletes here at Monmouth retain and graduate at, uh, significantly higher rates than the student population as a whole, which again is, um, evidence of the great culture that we've created in athletics. Matt Harmon: Let's finish with, uh, couple of questions about the summer programming schedule, move into the fall a little bit. I know it's been a point of emphasis for you since you took over to kind of build the summer schedule, do it in more of a remote hybrid online way. Um, dare I say, that's played into the whole idea of the, the pandemic. Maybe that was an easy way to get this up and going, um, uh, the, the, the summer schedule about where you would hope it is at this particular point. Patrick Leahy: Yeah. I mean, it's a robust schedule it's, uh, mostly delivered online, which again was part of the intention all along. Uh, we are folding in increasing numbers of in person courses and, and other kinds of summer camps and, uh, research projects and that kind of thing. So that will make our summer programming even more robust. Um, really proud that it, at this university, we operate what I like to think of as a 12 month university, which is every month of the year, we are trying to serve students and continue, you know, continue to aid them on their academic journey. Our, our faculty are looking at right now to that point, the possibility of, of a winter session too, because there's, you know, three or four weeks there, um, end of December and early part of January, where we believe that there are some students who would like to pick up a course, and to the extent that we can offer quality programming in that condensed period of time, we wanna offer it to students. So, uh, we're working through that now there's complexity to that. Of course, I don't wanna underestimate the complexity, but, um, this summer activity is clearly evidence of our being a 12 month, uh, university. So, uh, there's still, uh, openings for, uh, seats in classes that are being offered. So, uh, if anyone's interested, uh, they just need to check out our summer schedule. Matt Harmon: Tell me, and I'm, and I'm gonna, I feel like throw you a little bit of a curve ball with this question. Tell me in, in your mind, moving forward, come the fall of 2021. What is the best case scenario for Monmouth? Is it to be back in person I'll say full time, but with maybe a little bit of the, the hybrid online stuff sprinkled in. Patrick Leahy: Yes. I mean, I think there, there it's clear that there'll be, um, some remote programming sprinkled in, as you say, I, I don't know what percentage, uh, but my hope is that we can get to a point where most of our academic programming is in person and where it makes sense. Uh, the balance is delivered in a high quality online fashion. Uh, we will, uh, even if we operate that way, we will still have healthcare protocols in place. Uh, you know, we're probably still gonna have masking in the classrooms, uh, and maybe at certain places around the campus, we'll probably limit, you know, some of the huge gatherings on campus a little bit. Um, there will be, uh, some social distancing. We don't know yet whether we have to keep to the six feet or whether that might drop to three feet, or if everyone's vaccinated, whether, you know, sort of, there's no social distancing required. Patrick Leahy: We're still gonna work through that. But, um, the hope would be that we can bring the full compliment of students back to campus. Everyone who wants to live with us can live with us again, uh, next fall, uh, all of our, uh, extracurricular programming will run as normal. So fall sports will, will start again in, in August, uh, as it normally would, uh, other extracurricular activities similarly would be available in person. And then we've just try to figure out what, what a mix there'll be on the academic side to make sure that we're delivering academic programming as, uh, in as high equality of fashion as possible. So to me, that's, that's the, uh, the ideal situation. Matt Harmon: Last question, before I let you go. And I just want to confirm it since I think when we come back on in two weeks, it'll be right around that time period. No changes right now to the graduation plans that have been announced. Patrick Leahy: No, no change, uh, uh, four days, seven ceremonies over four days, really proud to be able to offer, uh, those, uh, important milestone events in our students' lives in person. Um, I said this the other day that, you know, some other colleges and universities were, were, were stating to me on a recent call, Matt, how important it was that they have in person ceremonies this year, because they can't do the virtual ones again, like they had to do last year. And I just so desperately wanted to say, Hey, wait a second. Not all of us did virtual ceremonies last year. If you recall, we held out late even into the summer to be able to offer those in person ceremonies, uh, to our class of 2020. And we'll be able to do the same here in the class of 2021. The only update to our commencement plans this year, uh, is that because of the way in which our seven programs are, are, uh, being developed, we're now gonna be able to offer each of our students four tickets to the ceremonies. And again, I think in this area, the Northeast part of the country, you'd be hard pressed to find, uh, many other colleges and universities that are offering in-person ceremonies and allowing up to four family members to attend. I'm really proud of that. And it's a commitment that we've made from day one to, to offer these, these important milestone achievement, uh, ceremonies, uh, to our students and their families in person, if possible. So, uh, it'll be a busy couple weeks, but, uh, we're really excited about it. Matt Harmon: Look forward to talking to you present Lehe in the, in the better part of the next two weeks, uh, today, tomorrow the last two days officially of the spring semester, 2021 reading day on Wednesday, and then its finals, uh, after that. So the, the, the busyness will continue, but it'll be busy with the idea that things are wrapping up for what has been just an extremely challenging year for everyone involved on campus, yourself included, uh, students, faculty, and staff, we're in the home stretch of making it here in 20, 20, 20, 21, that academic year, um, look forward to talking to you in a couple weeks, enjoy, um, the end part of the semester. And, and we'll talk soon. Patrick Leahy: Yeah. Thanks again, Matt, for, uh, your, your support of this podcast and your interest in it. And, uh, I do look forward to, to talking with you next time as we, by that point, probably have pretty much completed, uh, an academic year that, uh, we will not, uh, soon or ever forget Matt Harmon: University president Patrick Lehe, I'm faculty member, Matt Harmon. This puts a cap on episode number 28 of Monmouth weekly. We'll talk to you in two weeks, stay safe, everyone.