Matt Harmon:
On this episode of Monmouth weekly, we speak with new chairwoman of the board of trustees, alum, Gina Pisca tell university president Patrick Lehe gives the latest update on COVID and the plan moving forward for campus at the end part of this fall semester. This is faculty member, Matt Harmon. It's time for episode number 19 of Monmouth weekly. Thanks to Zoe for joining us. Well, It is good to be back with everyone as we turn the calendar into November and try and make it to the end of the semester. It's certainly a crazy time around the country here in New Jersey and even more local to Monmouth county between the coronavirus continuing between the election taking place and all the craziness that goes on top of that. It is always nice to be able to take a little bit of a deep breath and get a fresh breath of air here on mammoth weekly. Crazy enough to say it's episode number 19 and undertaking that president Lehe. And I started all the way back in March when Monmouth, uh, first went remote prior to spring break, president Lehe. I say a very good afternoon to you as we, we record on a, uh, Monday afternoon and, and hope you're doing well.

Patrick Leahy:
I'm doing great, Matt. Nice to be with you. It's been a little bit more than our normal two weeks, so glad to be back.

Matt Harmon:
It's no problem. I'll send the invoice with vacation time included that won't be any problem whatsoever. And, uh, I, I know present Lehe, you are excited as am I to speak with the new chairwoman of the board of trustees at Monmouth. Gina. Pisca tell, uh, two time graduate of Monmouth who is also good enough to give us our time as well. Uh, chairwoman Pisca tell, thanks for hopping on today. Hope all was well with you in terms of family being safe and trying your best to, to deal with the craziness of the world.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Good afternoon, Matt and president Lehe. Thanks for having me on,

Matt Harmon:
You know, we were really excited to, uh, be able to, to have you come on and, and so many things to talk about, but, um, maybe if, if you can just start with this position that you have, I, I know that you took over, uh, as the chairwoman in the beginning part of July, July 1st, I think was your official start date. Um, and just maybe the process of, of how you got involved with the board of trustees in the first place to moving up the ranks, I will say, um, from, from vice chair to now being the, the chairwoman.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Sure. Matt, I'm happy to, uh, join the board in, in 2010, uh, as after being an active participant in chair of the Leon has business school business council. And, uh, it was a transition that, um, I was overjoyed to, to take part in and, um, you know, served for several years before, uh, serving as vice chair. Actually, I had the good fortune of being vice chair to two chairs, uh, before, um, before taking on the role of chair and, uh, had a wonderful, uh, wonderful role models, um, to, to work alongside with as well as everyone else on the board. So, um, I, I definitely see us all as equals and, uh, it's, it's a great group of, of individuals to work with.

Matt Harmon:
You know, I have to say I am also a two time graduate of Monmouth, like yourself in 96, but I had to go to 2004 to I finish my master's degree. I'm looking at your, at your bio and you go, oh, one to oh two. I, I wanna know where, where I went wrong, where it took me an eight years to get my master's and it took you just one.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Well, you had to do really well in those classes too. <laugh> um, and I know that the criteria, um, was, was pretty, uh, pretty stringent at the time. Uh, so I, I think that you had the opportunity to wave a certain amount of credits. If you stuck with the same discipline that might have been the issue, Matt, that you had, that you ran into.

Matt Harmon:
No, I think I'm just slow and to,

Patrick Leahy:
I was about to jump in and say that to

Matt Harmon:
It. It took me eight years. My fortunately, fortunately enough, believe it or not present Lehe. I, you know, I forgot to share this with you when we were talking before I just finished my doctoral degree as well. And that took me 11 years. So I'm, I'm in no rush to get anything done, but it's really more about the process than anything else.

Patrick Leahy:
Pardon me, Dr. Harmon, for not knowing that congratulations that's,

Matt Harmon:
You know, let's, let's tie back in present Lehe, because I know when we had on, uh, chairman wick, uh, several episodes ago, you talked about just how important the relationship is between you, the president and, and the entire board, but, but clearly whoever at that time, the chair, man, and at this particular time, the chairwoman of the board, just how important it is that you, you do kind of see things, maybe not identical, but have that like mindset in terms of where Monmouth is headed.

Patrick Leahy:
I think it's the most important relationship to a university president beyond, you know, his or her spouse. Of course it is the most important, uh, relationship and, uh, where board chairs and presidents can work really well together. That means, uh, great opportunities for that institution. Uh, you can imagine if it, if they don't work very well together, how challenging that could be, as, as Gina said, I, I have about 35 bosses in some respects, each member of the board of trustees serves such an important role here, but, uh, let's just be honest how important the leader of that board is, and that, that chairperson and, uh, it is the most important relationship for university president. And I can just tell you how, uh, glad I am that Gina is in this role. In fact, I, uh, spent a lot of time with Mike wick and Gina prior to accepting the job at Monmouth. And it was in large part because of how well I think we got along and how, uh, how closely we saw things, um, together that I, I felt very comfortable coming to mama,

Matt Harmon:
You know, clearly, uh, chairwoman Piselli when, when you look at it and I say chairwoman, um, with, with nothing but U rose respect, because you are the first woman in the university's history to ascend to the, the top of the ranks in essence of the board of trustees. And, and listen, I, I know that the ultimate goal is always to say, we want the best person, but when you are the first to do something and you, you kick that door in, you hop that hurdle, whatever cliche you want to use, I'm sure it does have just a little bit more of a special meaning to it.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Absolutely it's and really, and it's not personal. It's it's for every other alum, female alum, and every other female student that's currently enrolled at Monmouth, you know, it's it, we attribute so much of our success and, and knocking down those doors, if you will, by the women that come before us and the women that we've, that led by example,

Matt Harmon:
Uh, president Lehe, you know, I, I, I think it would be fair for you to come in on this as well because, uh, Monmouth wants to be that school. And it's something you and I have talked about, um, when issues of, you know, social issues have come up and we've discussed them on the podcast, um, whether it's been race. And now in this particular case, gender Monmouth wants to be a school moving forward that is, is setting the bar high so that other universities, other colleges, and, and maybe even just the surrounding areas, looking to Monmouth and saying not, not wow, but great job way to, way to go Monmouth way to way to put that, that step, you know, be, be the first to do that.

Patrick Leahy:
I want us to be a leader in this, in this area. Um, our, our board met for the 263rd time last week. Um, and, uh, it was the first time, uh, a woman chaired that, uh, that meeting. And it's a, you know, I think it's a great, uh, source of pride for me personally. Uh, I'm just really grateful that I happen to be the president. Uh, wh when that, when that happened, um, it's such a great, as Gina said, it's such a great example to, uh, you know, to all of our students are our men and our women, but in particular are, are the 60% of our, our student body who are women. And it's just a really important that, um, they see women in leadership positions. Um, it's probably appropriate for me to quote the now late, uh, Supreme court justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but she said, women belong in all places where decisions are being made. And, uh, I want that to be reflected here at Monmouth, not only with Gina as the chair of our board, but, um, my first hire here at Monmouth was, uh, putting Reka data into the interim senior vice president and provosts position. Incidentally, if I may, I I'm so proud of the fact that, uh, she was, uh, nominated to be the next secretary for higher education here in the state of New Jersey. And, uh, she went through that process and it was announced last week that, um, she did not end up getting the job, uh, but that she was the runner up in a bonafide national search for that position. And, uh, I'm so proud of Reka and, uh, the, the, the way in which she represents Monmouth university and, you know, higher education in New Jersey, I think quite candidly, she's a little relieved that she didn't get the job, but, uh, kudos to her for being involved in a national search and emerging as the runner up. So I, I hope that's just further evidence of the way in which Monmouth for years has been, you know, ensuring that women are represented in, uh, senior leadership

Matt Harmon:
Positions. Yeah. Well said, and, uh, a heartfelt congratulations to provost data as well, um, from myself. And, and when you look at it, uh, chairwoman Episcopal, you know, you, you talked about being vice chair for, uh, the time that you were and having two, two chairman to look up to, um, when you, when you think of the most recent, and that, of course being Michael wick, who was a, a 1982 graduate of Monmouth as yourself, we mentioned 2001, 2002. How important do you feel like it, it is to have someone, um, that has that immediate connection to the university? Someone that no, no matter the time period has seen Monmouth, uh, grow, has seen Monmouth develop and has seen the potential that Monmouth still has.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Yeah. I, I think it's wonderful to have alum represent on the board without question. Uh, but that doesn't mean that you have to be an alum. We have so many friends of the university, uh, that have been longstanding friends of the university and, and serve on our board and they still, they have that perspective. I still look to many of them, many of our former chair, uh, chairs that, uh, participate on the board. Um, and I turn to them to, to get that, that history and that perspective. And, you know, I, I think it's a nice combination, much to like what pat said you want, you want to have, uh, everyone represented and you wanna have diversity of thought diversity of age, diversity of, uh, gender, uh, race and, and just have a community where you're collaborating together, working towards the same end, right. To help the university advance

Matt Harmon:
The new chair of the board of trustees, gene of Piselli class of 2001, 2002, joining us here. It is Monmouth weekly I'm faculty member, Matt Harmon with university president, uh, Patrick Lehe, just kind of talking about the process. And I, I gotta ask you this one without question who in their right mind signs up to be the chair of the board of trustees smack dab in the middle of a pandemic.

Jeana Piscatelli:
I often Jo joke that I must have drawn the, the short straw. Um, no one was, was buying for this role during a pandemic, but, um, you know, it's, we're all thrust into this situation at the same time. And, um, you know, it's, it's not ideal for anyone. And, you know, I think as long as you, uh, have the right intentions and you work together and, and coordination with the, the president, um, you know, we're, we're just here in support of the president and his cabinet. And, um, you, we just wanna continue to provide that while they work through the, the heavy lifting of the day to day.

Matt Harmon:
You know, it, it's interesting because president Lehe and I have spoken, um, so many times on our 18 previous episodes, this being the 19th, just about, you know, where Monmouth sits right now in this COVID coronavirus world, uh, decisions that have been made, the, the planning, the phone calls all the behind the scenes stuff that probably most people, you know, listen in this particular day and age, I'm sure assume are taking place, but probably don't give it the credit you being part of the board at the start and then taking over as the chair now, uh, I'm sure you're, you're smack in the middle of, um, constant conversations of, of what the next move is for Monmouth.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Absolutely. It's and, and it's a moving target always. And I think we're, like I said, we're all in this together. Uh, whether it be through the university or our personal lives or professional lives, um, and, you know, we are very fortunate to have president Lehe and his cabinet and, and the staff and the faculty that we do on campus, because their priority is the safety and health and wellness of the students and, and the community of the university, which is, uh, first and foremost,

Matt Harmon:
President Lehe, you know, we will talk about some decisions that, uh, were just announced earlier today in terms of the direction that that Monmouth will be going, but, you know, to, to follow up on that, the, the planning and the continued overhauled of procedures, protocols, ideas, analysis, uh, it, it's not anything that has stopped or slowed down since you and I began this all the way back in March.

Patrick Leahy:
No, I always say, um, to folks around campus, I, I know people are getting tired. I know we desperately wanna be on the, you know, the tail end of this pandemic, but we must keep our eyes focused on dealing with the pandemic because we are in the, we are in the throes of it right now. And if you talk to some of the, uh, public officials around the state of New Jersey, they are warning that, you know, much of the worst of it might still be ahead of us. And nobody wants to, wants to admit that map. But I think that's where, uh, with the support of our board and, and all the others who collaborate with me, I just have to try to keep the university community focused on this. You know, what are the, as you say, the protocols that we put in place that everyone needs to subscribe to in order to try to keep the campus as safe as possible so that we can at once keep everyone safe and continue to offer as personalized and educational proposition as possible. So it, it is, uh, uh, continued challenge, uh, for me,

Matt Harmon:
Chairwoman, Pisca tell if we can, we can swap back and, and talk about, um, your connection with the school being an alum of the business school, your master's as well. And now in, in the banking industry, uh, as a senior vice president at ocean first bank, which obviously has a fantastic relationship with Monmouth, um, overall, and from the athletic perspective as well, what, what's your connection in terms of, um, being in being involved still for lack of a better term, being involved with the university and still maybe having somewhat of a, a hands on vocal role, more specifically, even to the business school than just being the, the chairperson of the board?

Jeana Piscatelli:
Well, I still remain an active member of the business council it's near and dear to my heart. Um, I it's, I, I still mentor students of the business school and, um, I will always ha have an open phone PO policy, open email policy for students. So, uh, they wanna run through a resume together or just talk through some opportunities. I'm happy to do that, um, and, and provide some help any, any way that I can.

Matt Harmon:
When you think of it, the idea that Monmouth and, and listen, being a, a faculty member for a long time and working in our, uh, department of communication, I've always made the argument that Monmouth and, and present Lee, I think would, would agree that Monmouth is so situated in this perfect spot in between New York and Philly from a communication standpoint and the media world. Um, but even from the business side of things as well, there are so many opportunities for students that I, if they just make that, make that effort, make that step, make that connection, they can have such a wonderful four or five years while they're in west long branch to then set themselves up for success later in life.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Absolutely. They're well positioned to, to really hop over to Philly or head into New York, or even within the tri-state area, you know, within the New Jersey St you know, the state of New Jersey rather, um, to find a great internship. I know our bank offers some great internships, actually, president Lehe met a few mammoth students that were, um, participating in our internship, uh, about a year ago. So, um, you know, I think there's a lot of great opportunities right here in, in the home market and, and very, uh, close by with, by just a ferry or a train ride.

Matt Harmon:
You know, it's crazy president Lehe to, to say this, especially in today's world. Uh, but the idea that that mammoth can make the step forward and become a, I won't say bigger, but, but better, more successful, more prominent university than what even we are right now today. Uh, it, it does still kind of echo with the, with the idea that it's, we're a hands on place. We're a one-on-one faculty to student, um, connection, communication type offering school, where there's, where there's so much back and forth, but, but to chairwoman Pisca Till's point, there are so many opportunities for students and our alum base continues to grow, um, and, and, and really leave a great footprint of the school.

Patrick Leahy:
Yeah, we just had, uh, last week, our fall virtual open house, I mean, as you know, well, typically we have thousands of people here for our, uh, normal open house. Well, we had to convert that to virtual open house, uh, this, this particular fall, but we still had really great turnout and I, of course always get a chance to, to tell people why I think they should consider Monmouth. And, you know, I always talk about what you just said, like unparalleled opportunities for a school, an UN you know, an undergraduate student population of our size. It's the combination of those things. That's really, really unique. And then you take that and you place it here on a, you know, a, a campus that is second to none in an incredible location, you know, not only here at the shore and close to Asbury park and red bank, but you get on the commuter train and in an hour and 15 minutes, you're in the heart of what I always call is the capital of the world, New York. It's an incredible mix of features that makes, uh, mammoth so special. And we are poised as I think we've talked about in one of our previous episodes to go from being a, you know, well respected regional university to a bonafide national university. And, um, I look forward to stewarding the university, um, from that one sort of classification to the, to the top one, a national university,

Matt Harmon:
And, and clearly chairwoman Pesca tell, uh, you, you agree with that or I'm sure, I'm sure the conversation would be very different between you and president Lehe. Uh, but, but specifically, what do you think it is that Monmouth needs to do to have a, a larger footprint within the state of New Jersey within the region? Uh, and, and then at some point nationwide,

Jeana Piscatelli:
You know, I think president Lehe sharing, sharing that message that he just presented to you and, and to a broader audience. I mean, it just, uh, when I hear him speaking, it confirms to me that we have, uh, a great president in president Lehe, um, and he knows how to position us well and how to take that to the broader audience. I think that's, you know, we're, we're just going to continue to help, uh, build that brand identity and, and help carry that message forward.

Matt Harmon:
President Lehe, ironically enough, as we are recording right now, and I mentioned, we would have some news about the, uh, remaining part of the fall semester here, your email just trickled into my inbox. Um, and so I think it's a good time to maybe talk and we can certainly get chairwoman Pisca tells take on it as well. The idea that Monmouth will, um, after Thanksgiving, not have students return to classes that might be right now, currently in person or hybrid. And I say currently, because, um, at the beginning part of the semester, you and I talked about faculty having the choice, would they be in person hybrid, uh, or strictly online with different modes of delivery, but for those students that are involved with in person hybrid classes after Thanksgiving, they will not have to return back to campus.

Patrick Leahy:
Uh, they won't, they won't have to they're, they're welcome to, but they won't have to. And, and this is really, uh, just the latest in our very methodical way in which we're trying to make decisions around the pandemic this fall. You know, we knew back in the summertime, Matt, that, uh, other institutions had made decisions, uh, even that far, uh, that long ago to go remote after Thanksgiving. And we just decided intentionally that we would wait to make that decision until we got a little bit closer to the, to the actual break so that we could take advantage of the most current public health information that we could in order to make that decision. Well, we started looking over the last, um, number of days, we had promised all along a decision on or about November 1st, and we just decided that given the number of states that, uh, the, the governor has put as quarantine states, 41, now we're up to, um, that means that any of our students who go home for the Thanksgiving break from any of those states would have to quarantine for two weeks on their return. Well, if you quarantine for two weeks, that means you're gonna be confined pretty much to your room, and you're gonna be doing your, your, your, uh, academic work remotely anyway. So we just decided that the safest thing to do would be to convert academic programming online for the, for the remaining two weeks of the, the semester following Thanksgiving, and then the additional one week of the exam period that allows any of our residential students to go home. And, and if they choose to stay home, but we will allow students who want to come back like athletes in particular, um, and to come back and to, and to live with us, um, for those last three weeks of the semester, it's, again, an attempt on our part to give our students and their families as much flexibility as possible as we together navigate, uh, the fall semester,

Matt Harmon:
Chairwoman Piselli, as you hear presently, he talk about that, you know, he, he mentioned the size of the board. Um, you know, I, I think it's 32, which is the number. I'm not sure if every position right now is, is full, but when you discuss that amongst the board of trustees, is that something that there's, there's, um, unanimous support for, or with so many people on there? Is there differing opinions as to how, how Monmouth goes about their business from semester to semester?

Jeana Piscatelli:
No, it's unanimous. And, you know, obviously there are, there are differing opinions, uh, on occasion, but when it comes to COVID and, um, the current situation, the entire board supports, um, what president Le Lehe has just released and, and, um, you know, the changes that have been put in place in order to continue with the, the, the health and safety of the students and, and the campus community,

Matt Harmon:
President Lehe. I, I, I do understand at this particular time there's been no definite decision in terms of what will take place. Um, mid-January traditionally mammo always starts the day after Martin Luther king day, whatever that Tuesday this year happens to fall on. Uh, but that will be something that over the course of, I, I would say what the next month to six weeks, there will be some more clarification on that.

Patrick Leahy:
Yes, we now, with this decision sort of made, and we will, um, ask all of the, uh, folks on campus in particular, our faculty members to go ahead and make their adjustments to get us through this fall semester. We'll ask student life to contact each one of the ex you know, current residential students to find out what their intentions are following Thanksgiving. So that now with this decision made, we get a chance to execute on that one. At the same time, we will continue and earnest our planning for the spring. Um, we are contemplating at this point, similarly, uh, offering to our students a mix of programming in person hybrid and online once again, to try to give them as many options as PO possible to give 'em as much flexibility as possible. Uh, we are likely to start our spring semester a week or so later. And then to gather back that time over the spring break by basically canceling the spring break. So that would allow us to start a little bit later, keep the campus as quiet as possible during, um, you know, the, the middle of the winter, and then start up in late January, take back that time at spring break and still be able to finish on time in early may so that our summer sessions are not affected. And as you know, our summer sessions are getting each year more and more active. So we don't wanna, um, uh, mess with the summer sessions if we can avoid it. And I think that this plan will allow that, but we're still wor walking that through some of our, um, governance structure here to make sure we get everybody firmly on board, but, but the spring semester we hope will look in, in large part like the fall semester.

Matt Harmon:
Tell me if you could president Lehe, um, you being one of the university presidents within the Metro athletic athletic conference, if there's been any decision on winter sports on spring sports, I, I haven't heard anything definite, uh, winter wise, one way or the other. So I'd imagine spring hasn't quite hit the table yet, but, but sports like swimming, like men's and women's basketball, indoor track and field things that traditionally take place during the course of the winter months.

Patrick Leahy:
Yeah. Right now I can tell you that men's and women's basketball is planning to go. Uh, they are under very strict NCAA guidelines mimicked by very strict Mac guidelines, but the plan is to, um, allow basketball to compete at this point, no spectators of any, uh, significance, unfortunately, but we will stream all of the games for our campus community and for all the Hawk fans out there, swimming gets a little bit tougher. Uh, it's tougher to work through the, the safety protocols, uh, when you bring that many swimmers together and an enclosed surface in a swimming pool. So we're still working through that. Uh, indoor track and field similarly creates some unique challenges. Given the number of athletes who participate, I guess we all feel that they will have their opportunity to compete in the spring, nonetheless. So, um, even if we couldn't have a, a, an indoor track and field season, we aim to have an outdoor season. And then as you may, uh, recall, we have moved our fall sports to the spring. And as long as they all go, as long as there is no major change to the public health guidelines, at some point in February or March, every single one of our 23 sports could be competing. <laugh>, uh, here on campus, that is if we can figure out a way to, to, to, to, to, to, uh, accommodate swimming. But if you think about it, our, our other winter sports will be going our falls. Our, our fall sports will have been moved to the spring, and then our spring sports will start up. So we're gonna be very busy here on campus. But one of the things that is really a, a benefit for Monmouth is the quality of our, uh, physical plant and our, and our, uh, athletic assets. So that'll allow us to be able to accommodate hopefully all of our student athletes, uh, this academic year

Matt Harmon:
Chairwoman Piselli when, when you hear president Lehe, talk about, uh, the return of, of a sport like men's and women's basketball. And then looking ahead to the spring, um, you know, listen, I, I was, I was, I am an alum, you're an alum. So, you know, just how important sports and, uh, clubs, activities. I don't wanna limit it to just sports, but everything that goes on in Monmouth from a student perspective, when the campus is busy and buzzing, just how special it can be.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Oh, absolutely nothing, uh, brings the campus community and the students together more than the activities, right? The clubs, the sports, and, uh, you know, it, it was disappointing that, uh, for all of those athletes, that they didn't have the opportunity to compete, um, in the fall and, and being able to, uh, present that opportunity albeit at a different time and, you know, at a different time of the year, um, is, uh, you know, it, we're all hopeful that, that we're able to deliver that to the students because it, it, it also brings the alum back to campus and, uh, the extended community

Matt Harmon:
President Lehe, last one, uh, for you looking at the, uh, updated numbers in terms of COVID Monmouth right now, 362 recovered cases, 26 active. Um, so I will say that that number is a stark difference from where it was prior to fall break and the decision to have classes go remote for the two weeks going into fall break. Um, I, I, the hope I'm sure is to keep that number as low as possible, going into Thanksgiving and, and let everybody try and enjoy the holidays as much as they can.

Patrick Leahy:
You said it, Matt. I mean, before we broke for that two week period, a few weeks ago, our case counts were, were way up. I mean, you know, 190 at one point. So to bring 'em down from 190 to into the teens, basically, uh, was a Hercule effort on behalf of so many people here at, at Monmouth and all those recovered cases. Thank God, you know, they're recovered be they're no serious, uh, health lingering health. I impact they all serve their isolation period successfully. They're all deemed to be healthy and have re-entered the, the campus community. Now we did have a, a few cases over the last few days, which is, uh, had those numbers, you know, just tick up a little bit into that. I think 26 that you mentioned, so we're watching it closely. Um, but we need everybody compliance for the next three weeks in order to get, uh, you know, safely to the Thanksgiving break. And so I just repeat again and again, with all the healthcare protocols that we that are out there, I think it can be summed up pretty succinctly in masking mask up backup and wash up. And I stole that from a friend of mine. Who's a president of the university down in south Jersey. Uh, but he gave me permission incidentally to use that, but ma mask up, uh, backup and wash up. And if we all just do those simple things and incorporate those, those, uh, those things into our, uh, everyday life, then we are gonna be able to keep the spread of this virus to a, to a minimum and continue this semester. Uh, but it's gonna require all of us as you point out.

Matt Harmon:
I am glad to hear, there are no copyright infringements coming. <laugh> your way, chairwoman, chairwoman, Episcopal, as an alum, a current faculty member, I congratulate you on your position that you assumed in July. Um, look forward to the board under your direction. I know you said it it's a, it's a group task, but you are, uh, the, the chairwoman and the first woman to occupy that spot in mama's history. So congratulations, and thank you so much for coming on and giving us, uh, some time here today on our Mammouth weekly podcast.

Jeana Piscatelli:
Thank you, Matt. Thanks for having

Matt Harmon:
Me president Lehe. We will talk again, uh, soon with any updates as always. We invite everyone to, uh, go to mamo.edu for the most up to date COVID and Monmouth information. And, uh, a as always, sir, we invite anyone to reach out to you or I via social media or email, um, for anything that they might want to hear on a future podcast coming up.

Patrick Leahy:
Yeah. Thanks again, Matt, for, for everything and for your support of this podcast.

Matt Harmon:
Well, we, uh, have episode number 19, come to a close look forward to what will be episode 20 the next time around, as we say goodnight, a reminder to get out there and vote and be part of the, uh, process, no matter who it is you're gonna vote for or what election you're gonna vote for. That is a great part of being a member of the United States, Amer of America for chairwoman Gina Piselli university, president Patrick Lehe. This is faculty member, Matt Harmon, wishing you all a great rest of your day. Thanks as always for your support in listening to Monmouth weekly, we will talk to you again real soon.